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Post by csee on Aug 7, 2014 4:09:42 GMT 1
Dear sir , my name is Ee Chuan Seng , 45 years old Chinese male married with one 14 years old daughter , self employed lived in Malaysia . Sorry in advance if my writing seems rude but for years I have tried to learn Buddhism with teachers / master but all their so call teaching seems too different from my own realization of Buddhism ..........but when I question them they were not happy but eager to teach me ....they just wanted me to follow them . Is never my intention not to agree with them or to against them simply their understanding is too far different then me .
Dear sir , I hope to find any master / teacher to debate / discuss regards to Buddhism understanding for my own learning process .....I hope any teacher / master from your society / school / monastery could debate with me on any topic regards to Buddhism understanding solely for my own learning process .
Thanks
CSEe
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Post by Will on Aug 7, 2014 5:51:28 GMT 1
I am not competent to debate you csee, but I would like to know two things: 1) What are the most valuable insights you have gained from your own realization of Buddhism? 2) Was the foundation for these insights, sutra/shastra study or meditation alone or both together?
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Post by csee on Aug 7, 2014 8:32:40 GMT 1
Dear Will ...thanks for reply .
Before I answer your question , allow me to explain my condition . In short note , at aged 10 I suffered depression on fear of death but later in my life at aged 18 I experienced a funny / nice emotion for a lady in my class and the mixture of pain , anger , love , desire , fear lead me into a realization that all these time is about my emotion ...all the suffering or joy is reflection of the emotion I hold on to ...and I realized that I am always alone in the journey of my choice of my will in my world .....and is always "my" emotion to gain or owning something - desire to own other person , creates special emotion for certain beings-living or non-living , ego , pride , fear of losing something I claim to be owned etc ...and I realized that nothing is belong to me .....I realized I am same as others living or non-living travelling in a journey into original condition of being nothing.....and this lead me to realized what I learned in my history class about two words said to be from Siddharta - awake and emptiness ......and it seems to me , my realization fit in these two words .....so I attributed it as Buddhism .
So in replying you question :-
1.In my current understanding , there is only realization on own emotion , own existence , cause of own existence and this realization is not something I gained .....is condition of my emotion ......In my current understanding of Buddhism , as one awaken to Buddhism , all emotion will naturally decreased not increased .
2. I think is within a process of awake , aware , realize , accept and continuously aware ......from own experience resulted from emotion , realization on combination of " awake and emptiness " , livelihood , culture , lifestyles , later discussion with others etc.....perhaps not the exact single factor ,as in my current understanding as one journey into life awaken , each moment is " dead and born into new condition " , I am not the same as second ago ......so each moment I am in different condition / learning / experiencing / discovering from all happening ......
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Post by deborah on Aug 7, 2014 12:32:34 GMT 1
Gentlemen Will and csee, please allow me to join your discussion. I am a new member to the forum and a new student of Tibetan Buddhism. My heart goes out to you, csee, that your teachers did not allow discussion & debate. My limited understanding is we are encouraged to realize the truth of the Dharma by our own experience, through meditation and experience and debate. May I be bold and recommend an additional website, the Berzin Archives, available in many languages, to assist with this process? It has been very helpful to me, as I live in Latin America and know no Buddhists who are following the Eightfold Path.
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Post by csee on Aug 7, 2014 13:43:40 GMT 1
Hi Deborah ...I will surely look into this website and join in ( If I am not already banned ) soon as I am available .to me realization is not something out of desire or planned or by any practices .........but perhaps by a process of awake , aware , realize , accept and continue constantly aware ...because in my current understanding , Buddhism is a natural process of all living or non-living travelling into emptiness back into nothingness ....is the only process of happening each moment to all ... in simple note , is a natural process that one realizing own existence , own emotion , cause of own emotion so as one awaken to Buddhism , in my current understanding , all his emotion like fear , desire , ego , greed , love etc will naturally decreased ...but if one confused by own knowledge by having desire to be something , say " have desire to realize " this will increased his emotion ...and he will travel longer journey into self realization ....
So in short ,in my current view the more you practice , or have intention to practice , have aim or expectation ...the longer journey one will travel....
Thats is my current understanding and I hope to debate with others for my own learning process
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