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Post by danf on Mar 7, 2014 1:07:27 GMT 1
Hello, all! This is my first post here. Recently I've been very interested in Buddhist philosophy, especially in regards to dealing with problematic emotions. I have a question about anger that I would love to have cleared up.
I understand that if you become angry about something and have the ability to change, you should take action, but if you cannot, then you must let the anger go. My question is, what do you do in a situation that you COULD try to remedy, but odds are it may make things worse?
For example, the other day I read a news article about a controversial subject. There were comments on the article that I very much disagreed with. Some of them were flat out hateful, and others were a little more thought-out, yet still clearly emotionally driven. None of the comments appeared to use any sort of compassion or reason (which is not surprising for the internet!). I have a very big issue with getting worked up about things like this. I'll become tense and angry for the rest of the day, and the comments that I read will go through my head over and over again. I think about all the different things I could say to retaliate against those comments in a reasonable manner. I get this incredible urge to respond with my own comment, as if I need to teach them a lesson. This urge is very intense and extremely problematic. I literally cannot stop thinking about it.
The anger doesn't come from the fact that they have a different opinion than me, but because they are being unreasonable and irrational.
In this situation, I have the ability to leave a comment of my own in the discussion section of the article. I feel as though just leaving a comment will help alleviate a little bit of the tension built up inside me. At the same time, however, I know how people on the internet are, and I know I most likely will not change their views at all. In fact, I know they will most likely retaliate and make me feel even more angry.
For those of you much more knowledgable in Buddhism than I am, what do you propose is the proper way to handle this? I know that I shouldn't let the opinions of people I don't know on the internet affect me so much, but it's a problem I've had for my entire life. Should I partake in the discussion and speak my own voice, at the risk of being angered further? Or should I practice moving on from these situations?
I greatly appreciate any advice you all may have, and I look forward to learning from you.
-Dan
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Post by Rudy on Mar 7, 2014 12:59:18 GMT 1
Hi Dan, Very good question, anger is often not easy to handle. Not sure if you read the website page on anger yet, but the main approach in Buddhism that I find helpful is to use analytical meditation. Important to know of course is that we cannot expect big results at all from one or two 10-minute meditation sessions. With meditation we try to habituate our mind to more positive states, and reduce the negative states of mind. We have many habits that appear to be in us almost from birth, and all we usually do with them is make them stronger and stronger over the years. We cannot un-learn negative habits that have formed over many years in just a few minutes. However, if we manage to take some time every day to work on our problems, chances are that not only the problems we focus on are gradually reduced, but our slow change of mind is likely to effect our whole attitude towards things. In meditations that focus on reducing anger, you can try first to analyse what happens in your mind. The advantage of meditation is that you do not need to act as in 'real life', but you sit on your cushion or chair without any intent to act, just to study your own mind. If you analyse anger (and please read the webpages viewonbuddhism.org/delusion_introduction.html and viewonbuddhism.org/anger.html) it always comes down to the same thing: the problem is caused by ignorance and delusions in our own mind and in the minds of others. Basically, this ignorance and delusions direct ouselves and others to do negative things, and we should direct our anger to do something about that. So in your example, your normal conclusion is that these people are full of anger to write these things, but look at yourself: you are angry too! Are you any better then them to judge them as 'angry, bad or whatever'? Next, as you wrote, you would like to balance the conversation, but are not sure how, and if it will have any positive effect at all. Basically, this is a complaint about your own ignorance on how to handle this. So, in a few lines of reasoning, the problem has shifted from 'angry and ignorant people out there' to my own anger and ignorance. Changing others is difficult, although we may still need to try and do that, but without wisdom we cannot do anything sensible. If we would direct the energy of the steam that comes out of our ears to develop ourselves to be less angry, more compassionate and wise, everyone would benefit. It takes some getting used to this, but when you try to make such analyses on many example situations that you encounter, you will discover over time that you will develop much more wisdom and patience to deal with life. But don't take my word for it, try it!
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Post by jeff on Mar 7, 2014 14:27:21 GMT 1
The anger doesn't come from the fact that they have a different opinion than me, but because they are being unreasonable and irrational. -Dan Ah, from a Buddhist perspective, this is the key... You are not perceiving the source of the anger correctly. Buddhism goes much deeper than "because they are being unreasonable and irrational", and so should you. The source of negative emotions really is a misperception of "I". Now, this might not make sense to you right now but I suggest you look deeper into yourself and see what gets "touched" (and where) when you hear someone become unreasonable or irrational. Your questions are welcome here! Jeff
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Post by danf on Mar 7, 2014 19:35:50 GMT 1
Thanks for your responses, Rudy and Jeff. Very thought provoking!
Rudy, I have read through the page on anger, which is what led me to creating this thread, though I do plan on reading it again in more detail. I'll also refer to link on Delusional Emotions as you suggested.
Until now I've treated meditation as, "something I will get into when I'm ready", but the more I hear about it, the more important it appears to be if I want to conquer this frustration. I've tried it a few times in the past, but I have an incredibly over-active mind, and I found it very difficult. I suppose it's a matter of time and practice.
As far as a "sensible" reaction to this particular situation, perhaps I should explain myself a bit further. Usually when there is an online discussion that I want to voice my opinion in, I do so as reasonably as I can. I try to treat it as a discussion rather than "I'm right and you're wrong", and I explain how I understand where they're coming from. I maintain an open mind, and I'm prepared to admit that I'm wrong if I feel that they make a good point. In my mind, at least, this is a sensible way to react to comments that I heavily disagree with. The issue comes when I'm responded to in a non-reasonable and emotional way. This is where I get intensely bothered, angered, and frustrated.
This is why I am conflicted. I'm not quite sure what a "sensible" reaction to this situation is. What I feel is sensible only seems to make matters worse for me. I therefore come to the conclusion that it is probably best if I ignore these comments and move on, but then I feel as though I'm not taking action where I can.
Jeff, I'm glad you mentioned that I'm not perceiving the source of the anger correctly. This intrigues me greatly because as I mentioned, I have sincerely felt that the source is my frustration with others who are not being reasonable. Any time I've tried to trace the anger to its core, that seems to be the conclusion. Though it sounds like I'm not looking deep enough. I do believe that the issue lies within me, and not within others, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what I need to change within myself.
I'm not quite sure what is meant by a "misperception of 'I'". Is there anything I can read from this site or others that will help me better understand that concept?
Thank you again for your comments.
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Post by jeff on Mar 7, 2014 20:14:03 GMT 1
I'm not quite sure what is meant by a "misperception of 'I'". Is there anything I can read from this site or others that will help me better understand that concept? Thank you again for your comments. Dan, I'm glad you followed up. This is really jumping into the deep end but it's important. Surely you should read Rudy's page on the 4 Noble Truths: viewonbuddhism.org/4_noble_truths.htmlThe idea is that we are constantly creating an image of ourselves that is unrealistic and then we make comparisons of that unrealistic view to others. However, when we deeply examine through study, contemplation and meditation, how we actually exist it undermines this false image and greatly loosens our attitudes and emotions. I highly recommend: www.amazon.com/How-See-Yourself-You-Really/dp/0743290461
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Post by Rudy on Mar 8, 2014 2:18:41 GMT 1
Dan, did you try meditation just by yourself or in a group?
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Post by tamara on Mar 8, 2014 4:29:27 GMT 1
I have the tendency to get very angry. Not at people, but at `things as they are`.
9 years of meditation did not change this fact much.
What has changed is that I can see the anger flaring up and am able to direct it in a way so that the outcome is `beneficial`.
Performing these `controlled outbreaks` can be fun indeed...... always being aware that what I think of as beneficial might be a huge mistake and nothing than my `ego`.
Tamara
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Post by danf on Mar 8, 2014 15:05:31 GMT 1
Rudy, I was by myself each time I've tried to meditate.
Thanks for the insight, Tamara. I would be very interested to know if there is any way to make this anger beneficial. It's something that has haunted me since I was a kid. On the outside and in social situations, I am not an angry person at all. In fact I'm often described as one of the calmest people my friends know. I very rarely show signs of anger when I'm around other people, and I think it's because my mind is focused on interacting with them. When I'm alone with my own thoughts, however, my mind wanders and I immediately begin to think about things that make me tense and frustrated.
Most of the thoughts that get me angry are things people have said in the past. These can be comments from the internet, or remarks that my friends made. I'm unsure as to how I could make this anger beneficial.
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Post by Rudy on Mar 8, 2014 18:39:23 GMT 1
That's what I suspected. Teaching ourselves meditation is very difficult for most people. Things are much easier with a guided meditation by a teacher/older student and in a group. Meditation takes quite a bit of discipline; our mind has been pretty much doing what it wants since we were born, and just like a wild horse or a monkey, it is not easy to catch it or get some control over it. So if you are interested, I'd strongly recommend to find a meditation group or Buddhist center that you can visit a few times to get 'the hang of it'. Later on, you can always see if the rest of the ideas in Buddhism are something for you or not.
What you describe of yourself sounds like as if you have quite a bit of irritation/anger stored away, which you can easily hide while busy interacting with others. When you are alone with yourself, there is little distraction from outside, and the mind goes to things that it deems important/necessary, in your case probably quite a bit of suppressed frustration and anger. But don't worry, most of us have that, it is merely that most people are not even aware of it. Recognition of this in ourselves is a very important first step on the way of discovering ourselves and make some improvements.
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Post by danf on Mar 9, 2014 5:14:53 GMT 1
Thanks for the suggestion, Rudy. I will certainly look further into that.
You're correct with your analysis. I have been going to talk-therapy for almost 11 years now. During these 11 years I feel I've come to understand myself and how my mind works, at least from a psychological standpoint. You can say I have OCD or general anxiety disorder, but for me those are just labels. I know that all of the issues I experience are simply due to me over-thinking, and if I can learn to tame my mind, I can conquer all of them. This is what drew me to Buddhism in the first place, as it demonstrates how much can be done simply by making changes within yourself. From the little that I've read into so far, it seems that studying it can only help me.
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Post by jeff on Mar 9, 2014 12:44:30 GMT 1
Hi Dan, This morning I was reading Lama Yeshe's Big Love Blog, came across this about anger, and thought of you: Q: Some Western psychologists believe that aggression is an important and necessary part of human nature, that anger is a kind of positive driving force, even though it sometimes gets people into trouble. What is your view of anger and aggression? Lama: I encourage people not to express their anger, not to let it out. Instead, I have people try to understand why they get angry, what causes it and how it arises. When you realize these things, instead of manifesting externally your anger digests itself. In the West some people believe that you get rid of anger by expressing it, that you finish it by letting it out. Actually, in this case what happens is that you leave an imprint in your mind to get angry again. The effect is just the opposite of what they believe. It looks like your anger escaped, but in fact you’re just collecting more anger in your mind. The imprints that anger leaves on your consciousness simply reinforce your tendency to respond to situations with more anger. But not allowing it to come out doesn’t mean you are suppressing it, bottling it up. That’s also dangerous. You have to learn to investigate the deeper nature of anger, aggression, anxiety or whatever it is that troubles you. When you look into the deeper nature of negative energy you’ll see that it’s really quite insubstantial, that it’s only mind. As your mental expression changes, the negative energy disappears, digested by the wisdom that understands the nature of hatred, anger, aggression and so forth. Q: Where did the very first moment of anger come from—this anger that leaves imprint after imprint? Lama: Anger comes from attachment to sense pleasure. Check up. This is wonderful psychology, but it can be difficult to understand. When someone touches something to which you are very attached, you freak out. Attachment is the source of anger. For the whole blog: biglovelamayeshe.wordpress.com/
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Post by Rudy on Mar 9, 2014 13:46:21 GMT 1
Ah, that puts things a bit into perspective. Don't worry, according to Buddhism, we all suffer from mental disorders - only a Buddha is free from them. As with most people, but especially in your case, it may be best to focus on relatively simple types of meditation to calm and observe the mind. In order to do this, we need to learn how not to react to the things we see in our mind. For example, when you just observe the mind, the thought of a bird may come up. The point is then to acknowledge that you think of a bird, and then let it go instead of starting up a whole train of thoughts about the bird. Simply said, in order to get some control over our mind, we need to be able to think: 'this is not important, I let it go now'. This is a simple technique, but certainly not easy to learn. Our mind is habituated to come up with loads of stories, experiences, images, smells and whatever as soon as something pops up. This is a natural thing, and we need it to some extent, in order to recognize dangerous situations and get ourselves to safety. However, when we get too much stuck in our thoughts and fantasies about something, we pay less attention to the actual world around us, and we may not notice the next dangerous situation at all. For example, when we drive on the road and see a serious accident happen in front of us, the first reaction is often to rush to the victims and try to help them, and we get all absorbed in helping them. That is a great and compassionate reaction, but we can easily overlook that other drivers may not see the accident in time and smash full speed into the damaged cars. So our first reaction should be to avoid another car speeding into the accident, and then go and help the victims. A similar thing is needed in our mind; we should always remain aware of the bigger picture, and not let our ideas of something automatically take over our entire mind. With simple techniques such as watching the breath or observing the mind, we train in just that. We observe, but do not follow up with trains of thoughts about everything. This takes time, lots of time and habituation. But with every little progress we make, we tend to become a bit calmer and get more grip on what we think and do. We get less worked up about things, and when we really need to think clearly about something, the mind is more calm to do so properly. So your initial reaction to injustice is great and compassionate; you like to do something about it. But the next thing is useless: getting worked up and angry - it does not solve the problem, rather it creates a new one... Only with a calm and rational mind we can do something useful. If you don't have that, doing nothing is probably better for everyone. There is a Buddhist saying that may also be helpful: when we meet a problem, there are generally two possibilities: we can do something about it, or we cannot. If we can do something useful, do it. If we cannot, we have to accept it the way it is.
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Post by dan on Mar 10, 2014 3:17:12 GMT 1
Hey Dan,
I think it's great that you chose another direction.
You wrote:
I call this "writing a letter to the editor." For a time, I found it helpful to indulge by actually trying to write it out when I got home, not necessarily with the intention of sending. I would often have to do this first in order to get to meditation, otherwise, I would continue the mental version(s). (I preferred handwriting since I could get really scrawly with it if I was really feeling it.) It was impossible to finish even one to my own satisfaction. This can be a good exercise, I think. It re-focuses energy, perhaps? I don't know, but giving up on the habit of writing it down because it was all a futile exercise seemed to help bring awareness closer and closer to the moment the process starts. It can be surprising (and funny) how insistently fixated is the impulse to get that cycle going.
I think this might be a version of what Tamara means by "performing these 'controlled outbreaks'..."
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Post by danf on Mar 11, 2014 4:34:55 GMT 1
Thanks for all the great responses! Sorry I've been a little busy.
Dan, that is an interesting idea and it has been suggested before. I recall an exercise I did in middle school, where I was in a class that briefly touched upon psychology/philosophy. The teacher had us think of something that made us angry, whether it was a person or something that happened. We were then instructed to write down our hypothetical responses to the person/situation on paper, such as how much we are angered/hurt and why. We then sealed the papers into envelopes, and brought them outside, placing them all into a large metal bowl. Then he lit the sealed envelopes on fire and we all stood around and watched them burn to ash. I think the main idea behind the exercise is similar to what you're talking about, though I haven't tried anything like that recently.
Thank you all again. You've provided me with more than enough material to study and digest. I'll have to take some time to soak it all in.
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